[dorkbotlondon-blabber] Re: [dorkbotlondon-announce] future of dorkbotlondon at state51

[Ivan Pope]

> win what exactly? what is the contest?

Forces of darkness v. art 2002

> Regardless of the symbolism of pinwheels in 845, 1845 or 1945, it is the
> symbolism of spray-paint in 2002.

Not sure what you mean here. Is it the very fact of spray paint on the wall
that offends?

Cheers,
Ivan

> >
> > Alex,
> > Maybe you over react:
> >
> > For many millenia, before it was appropriated by the Nazis,
> > the swastika was
> > a symbol of good luck and prosperity. Almost every race, religion and
> > continent honored the swastika -- a perfect example of the
> > universal spread
> > of a symbol thru the collective unconscious used by American Indians,
> > Hindus, Buddhists, Vikings, Greeks, Romans, Celts,
> > Anglo-Saxons, Mayans,
> > Aztecs, Persians, Christians, and neolithic tribes. There are
> > even Jewish
> > swastikas found in ancient synagogues side-by-side with the
> > star of David!
> >
> > And, from a visitors perspective, the space looks in part like an
> > abandonded/squatted space. Would anyone know what is upstairs
> > (I certainly
> > don't). There is a lot of 'rubbish' stacked around the space.
> > It is a bit in
> > a semi-trashed part of London. Arriving at night just for a
> > dorkbot event,
> > people might misinterpret the nature of the space.
> >
> > Maybe someone just wanted to show their appreciation without
> > electricity.
> >
> > Or, maybe it was some low life Nazi scum with symbolist
> > dyslexia. But do you
> > want them to win? At the same time that Rhizome looks like
> > its going down
> > the pan?
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: alex <alex@slab.org>
> > To: <dorkbotlondon-blabber@dorkbot.org>
> > Cc: <dorkbotlondon-announce@dorkbot.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:57 AM
> > Subject: [dorkbotlondon-announce] future of dorkbotlondon at state51
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So I got up bright and early to spend a couple of hours
> > cleaning up and
> > > clearing our space and turning soggy boxes of bottles into
> > recyclable
> > > material, to find a highly offensive message spray painted
> > on the side
> > > of our building; the word 'dorkbot' followed by a (back to front)
> > > swastika.
> > >
> > > We put a lot of effort into putting dorkbot together, often
> > resulting in
> > > ourselves being unable to fully enjoy the evening ourselves.  The
> > > directors of state51 have been extremely generous in
> > allowing it to be
> > > hosted here at great cost and risk.
> > >
> > > So unless the guilty party appears and surfaces, or can otherwise be
> > > tracked down and dealt with, I think it'll be highly
> > unlikely that we'll
> > > be willing to host another dorkbot in the building we work
> > in and love.
> > > state51 isn't an arts council funded pissing ground; we are a real
> > > company who happen to support worthwhile artists and
> > artistic endevours.
> > >
> > > If you happened to see this person spray on our wall or looking
> > > suspicious, please let me know (after asking yourself why you didn't
> > > stop them).
> > >
> > > But after all that, an apology from the spray painter would be
> > > gratefully received and met with some level of
> > understanding in return
> > > for the cost of a tin of paint.  I have the receipt right here.
> > >
> > > Anyway, until this morning I was pretty buzzed after a great
> > > dorkbotlondon with a great set of talks, hopefully not the last.
> > >
> > > Quite a few things were left behind, let me know if you're missing
> > > something from your life.
> > >
> > > best,
> > >
> > > alex
> > >
> > >
> > >
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